The perils of the secret agent; life is filled with obstacles to overcome. Secrecy and a quick wit are essential; you never know whom to trust. That man approaching, does he intend to foil your best-laid plans and reach your target before you, putting the entire mission at risk? Interception is your only choice. You approach him fully armed and ready to disarm his attack. Your plan is to ascertain his degree of threat and take him out discreetly. You approach him and begin interplay so layered with attempts at dominance people literally stop to listen to see the results of this verbal battling of will. Cordial on the outside and fierce and cutting between every word, your emotions although masked by subterfuge, burn with fury as you achieve your goal. The obstacle has been disarmed and walks away speechless as you establish your place at the top in the hierarchy of human interaction. You turn to your target, a sweet looking brunette with vital importance as an international contact. Filled with the confidence of showing your alpha status you introduce yourself. Her face turns dour. You stand there in shock, as you had not planned for this contingency. She places her hand on your shoulder and leans in to whisper in your ear. In a deep British accent, she says “You’re a fucking wanker, you know that? Do you really expect me to give you the time of day, when you speak to my brother that way?” She turns around and walks away from you. Mission status: Critical. Failure to complete objective.
Hmm is being a secret agent that much different than what we are trying to do? I mean most of the guys certainly talk like secret agents, with all this disarming obstacles and observing the target’s IOIs. It really shouldn’t be this difficult. Luckily it is not. You will always find that if you are looking out for a negative, it will come find you. These are people we are talking with. Let’s not objectify them with fancy acronyms and community-speak. We are people trying to relate and experience interactions with other people. Personally I think that much of the community’s lingo dehumanizes people and encourages objectification of women. These are real people you are talking to, not targets, obstacles, and AMOGs. When you view everyone as an adversary that is exactly what you will get. Every woman will have her bitch shield at full power, with her shit tests fully armed and ready to fire. Obstacles will swoop in and cock-block your attempts. This will attract AMOGs to destroy your game and you will be left a sniveling AFC.
So now that I have given up my secret agent days I see the bar as a whole new environment. Every smile that is returned to me is an opportunity to experience a new friendship in the making. Married women and boyfriends are people with interesting experiences that I can relate to, and even sometimes widen my entire social circle by befriending them. That awkward guy lurking near the group I am talking to becomes an invited friend, and displays my genuine ability to be social with everyone.
Charisma Arts teaches only one technique to “AMOG” someone, that is a negative presumption. I get to that spot in my notes every Sunday and I tell stories from other instructors who have had experiences using that. I almost feel false because I don’t have any personal experience with using that technique. I have never had to even once. I’ve never been AMOGed in a bar while working. I guess what they say is true that “you attract to you what you fear most.”
Group dynamics are really not hard; they don’t have to be drawn out into a schematic. Simply put, approach those closest to you, and include the entire group in your introduction, if even just a wave to those you can’t reach. Be sure to be warm and friendly, especially to guys in a group. Then choose a friendly person to talk to and start a conversation. Converse with whomever you want to in a group. Be friendly to all and include those around you in the group. If someone approaches immediately introduce yourself and project a warm vibe.
If someone is not friendly to you the easiest thing is to be extra friendly to him or her, and continue to engage him or her. If they ignore you or is mean, it really makes them look bad. If they something negative it makes them look worse. Just never let it bother you and everyone will know whom the true alpha male is.
So be alpha nice, not alpha. Include people, and have conversations to find out interesting things about people. Leave your secret agent mentality at home locked up and sealed in your exploding safe.
Saturday, September 16, 2006
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Great post. I think most guys suffer from exactly what you're pointing out; being stuck in the mentality that they're a PUA and have to execute properly.
I think the most gain in your "game" comes from going out, being yourself, and being friendly with everyone.
This is so true SHH.
I've found that i haven't been AMOGed in many many months. I've had guys come and approach me when i'm in set and i introduce myself and include them. Then i ask them to pull up a seat and chat with us for a while. The looks on these guys' faces is priceless. I've made some great male friends this way.
I did have one incident when trying to do this didn't work though. My friend and I were talking to 2 girls and this drunk guy came up and tried talking to one of the girls. I introduced myself but he refused my handshake and said "I'm talking to her, not you". He was very quickly blown out of set but i felt disappointed he wouldn't join us as a group, when i tried inviting him to.
davich
Hi Dan!
I agree, but still have a problem with this stuff. How can i combine the motive 'finding a girlfriend, and not wasting to much time' with 'making sure people see me as genuine'?
You see, i have no problem chatting with old ladies and bartenders and boyfriends and whatever, but still, when i go out, my highest genuine mission is to find a girlfriend. Although i'd love to hear the stories of the boyfriend... time is ticking when 20 meters further a nice blonde is standing, who i'd like to connect with. Talking with the boyfriend could be nice, but my most genuine feeling mission on the moment is: ...GO TALK TO THAT BABE! How would you recommend finding the balance between being "mission-based", and making sure people see you as genuine. To me, it doens't feel genuine to try to look for interesting stuff in the boyfriend, when my hormones and mind are telling me that getting a mate is really priority here.
Is this 'talking to everyone and seeming/being genuine', not just another tactic then, to get the babe?
Maybe you can share some (philosophical) insights in this...? I would really really appreciate them. Thanks a lot in advance man!!
Willy
That is the best post yet! Men who can show compassion to other men and be genuine are definitely much hotter than men who will step on the heads of others to get to the top.
Being alpha nice is a way to still be a good guy and not be a chump!
Sigh.
If someone negative presumptioned me - I would ignore them, and I was doing so before I had ever heard of the community. (you get neurotic guys occassionally).
So basically that tatic would be useless on me, and any of the naturals I've had the pleasure of being dominated by ;) At best they would raise an eyebrow.
It is a comedians technique to shut-up hecklers, any half way intelligent person instincutally knows that responding emotionally lowers your status, its called making a scene, in a comedy club, it shuts them up, which is the point, in the feild they will just see the baiting and ignore you.
Anyway in the book juggler uses it when his already been charming his quarry, not when he has just approached a set - which would make it plain vicious.
And as for your amusing description of AMOGing as a vicious battle of wits, well that is not reality.
If someone takes the attention of a group, the dominant funny guy, lets them speak, takes the mickey somehow, and then returns to being the centre of attention and talking. Lower their status + ignore. And of course it's all done in a way which is funny, so everyone is amused, and you have to laugh or your the humourless loser. And by doing this his blown you out, the sets attention are on the funny guy, his the most interesting stimuli.
Kong
Willy, the reason you can talk to everyone else is you don't have an agenda. If your agenda is to find a girlfriend, women you talk to will sense that, and respond poorly.
You have to lose the agenda. You will find if you go out to have fun and meet people then you will naturally end up around some attractive women. If your agenda is to make one your girlfriend the first night you meet them, don't you think that shows a bit of desperate interest? I don't know if i want someone to be my girlfriend until i have gotten to know them. Since my goal when i go out is to get to know a bunch of new different people, i don't have an agenda when i talk to women.
Kong, I think you make some good points. Like i said i don't use negative presumptions. However they do work, on even intelligent people. I just don't see the need. And yes my description is not reality, it is a satire of the whole AMOG process.
It seems like your decription of a better technique relies on the importance of being the center of attention. I never try to be that guy. If he is distracting the person i am talking with and i can't continue my conversation i just immediately start a conversation with him. If he continues to try to be the center of attention and ignore me then he looks like an ass. If he engages me in a conversation then I become the social guy with more value.
I personally think connecting with people is more effective than being the center of attention. It has at least worked for me.
I love the idea of engaging the guy who is the center of attention and connecting with him. It displays confidence to speak in front of the group and display fun and welcoming social skills, especially if you can get a fun vibe going and share the spotlight.
I've had this happen before but never been explicitly aware of the situation. I've also had a hard time dealing with the entertainer but I this post will help me make that a thing of the past.
Great job as always my friend.
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